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poulter and justin rose. a sporting moment so extraordinary even the men in the middle of it can't quite believe it happened. >> it really was one of the most remarkable comebacks i can think in any kind of sport. >> this is "piers morgan tonight." good evening. our big story tonight, neck and neck with 36 days to go until the election, the latest cnn/orc poll has president obama at 50% and mitt romney at 47%, within the margin of error. the thing both sides are counting on to change it, wednesday's debate. president obama is in nevada for two days of practice sessions with david axelrod and david plouff. mitt romney is counting on his secret weapon, ann, out on the trail. >> this country is ready for a turnaround. this country is ready -- this country is ready for mitt romney.
>> joining me now, a man who knows quite a lot about mitt romney's debate preparation, his senior advisor, former senator jim tallent. welcome to you. >> good to be with you, piers. >> how is he getting on, the candidate? because this is potentially a make or break debate for mitt romney. >> yeah, it certainly is a big debate and a big debate for the country. well, he's worked hard. the president is a good debater and he's been in this -- on this spotlight before, so you know, governor romney is probably a little bit the underdog but i think he's going to be ready. he's going to be ready on the issues which is really what this election's about. >> there's a massive game at the moment of both sides downplaying expectation. so far, even if mitt romney just makes the stage, you guys could declare a triumph and a glorious victory. it's getting a bit ridiculous. the truth is mitt romney spent most of the first half of this
year debating, so he should have the advantage, shouldn't he? >> well, i expect him to do well. i don't think -- what an election's about, what this one's about, piers, we can't go on like this with unemployment this high and the government functionally bankrupt and chaos abroad. i think the debate's going to be about that. i think if they stay on the substance, i'm hopeful that governor romney should do very well, even if he fumbles a little bit because he hasn't been in this kind of a format before, because you know, i think the country knows we need change and i think if he stays on that message, he should do fine. >> are you setting the bar so low that we should now expect a fumble? >> no. he's a pretty good debater. i don't think he's going to fumble. i'm just saying that this debate's going to be about i believe the issues, which is where we are now and how we can fix it. and if it stays on that substance, i think that's what the voters will absorb rather
than whether either one of them hems or haws a little bit. >> this is mitt romney joking about rob portman playing president obama in some of the rehearsals. >> do you know what he does on weekends? do you know what he does? he plays barack obama. can you believe that? he does. he plays barack obama. he plays him well, too. i hate to tell you. we get the chance to debate one another after the hour and a half or so is over, i want to kick him out of the room. he's so good. >> if mitt romney kicked barack obama out of the room, it would be quite something. >> i imagine he might kick rob portman out of the room for some of the things he said. no, he -- look, i think when they get together, they're going to start talking about the issues. they're going to start talking about the economy. why the deficit's been above $1 trillion now four years running, and maybe if the moderators get into it, what's happening in the middle east, and what they think they can do about it. i think that governor romney's
plan's going to be to try to stick to the substance because i think the country knows we need a change. >> i'm only half joking about kicking out of the room. metaphorically, a lot of republicans want to see mitt romney do just that to the president. they want to see him verbally beat him up and make the points that you've made crystal clear and win the argument. but there's another argument that says that one of mitt romney's problems is he's not likeable enough and he may need to turn on the kind of easy ronald reagan charm which he deployed so successfully in debate. it's a fine line, isn't it, between being hard and aggressive and making a point, but also coming over as likeable. >> right. and piers, really, the way to deal with that, and i think this is true for any debate but especially one where the stakes are so high for the country, is to stick to what you want to do, to stick to the substance of the issues, where the country is with the bad economy, with the high deficit, and what you want to do about it. i think if you're passionate about that or a little bit angry
or indignant about that, i think people understand, and i think that's what governor romney's going to do. >> you're a republican from missouri. of course another missouri republican, todd akin, has continued in his race. you opposed this to start with, now you're supporting him. he must be exasperated that he's still in this thing. >> well, i want change. i hope very much we can get change in the country and in the senate here in missouri. piers, look, as an american, not as a republican, i'm just very concerned. about all the things i've been talking about. i got kids in college. i want them to be able to get a job. we need a senator who will vote to get the budget under control and get the economy moving and that's not claire mccaskill. i'm hopeful this is an election where the people across the board will vote for change. >> as always, thank you very much. >> thank you, piers. joining me now with a view from the other side is bill daily, co-chair of the obama national campaign and president obama's former chief of staff. welcome to you. how are you?
>> very well, thank you, piers. >> how are the nerves in the obama camp? because the problem for president obama is everyone imagines he's a great speaker, but that puts huge pressure on him to be a great speaker on the night. >> well, i don't know if it's so much about being a great speaker. obviously the president's done a number of debates back in '08. governor romney's done a lot more, more recently, and there's no question they are both very bright people and they know their facts and the president's going to speak to the american people in a format that's very different. i think the real question at this point is what's the size of the audience and how interested will the american people be in this debate. we've heard a lot -- had a lot of hype about it, but at this debate, two things will come out. actual details of plans, i think the president's looking forward to that. i think the governor has to step up to laying out specifics of his plans that he's talking about -- talked about quite generally over this campaign, and the second thing that i
think the pressure on governor romney right now is his own colleague, governor christie, said this will be a restart of his campaign. i guess that's an acknowledgment that the first start didn't go so well. >> they clearly trying to downplay expectations, as both sides do. this is what paul ryan said on fox yesterday. listen to this. >> president obama's a very -- he's a very gifted speaker. the man's been on the national stage for many years. he's an experienced debater. he's done these kinds of debates before. this is mitt's first time on this kind of a stage. >> what i love about this particular stage of proceedings, for the first debate, is the way you're both prepared to tell such ghastly lies about each other. paul ryan finally saying all the things about what a great speaker president obama is, how hopeless mitt romney is. the pair of you are playing the same game, lower expectations so far, they just have to breathe
to be victorious. >> i think that there's no question that the expectation game is real. everyone plays it. having been involved in a number of presidential debates in the past, there's a certain give and take running up to it. i wouldn't be surprised tomorrow or wednesday, somebody makes a crazy charge or someone in a campaign will do something to try to refocus the run-up to the debate. but i think the fact is the american people see through that. these are both very smart people. they have been around for awhile. governor, i will say this, i watched governor romney in a number of those debates in the spring which are the most recent and you can practice for debates. the president can practice for debates as he's doing. but it has been four years since he's actually been in a format like this, where the governor has done this quite often in recent months. so he's a little more familiar with probably the details of it. but the fact is, the president understands the facts of his administration. it's going to be hard i think in this format for charges to be made that aren't substantiated and i think, i've read recently
that the governor's campaign has said they've prepared a bunch of zingers or one-liners, everybody looks for that one-liner that kind of sticks out. i think this format as i understand it, one, it may be easy to give a zinger but you will be hard-pressed not to back up any charges or statements without being called to give the facts and the details. so that as governor or pardon me, congressman ryan yesterday said he didn't have time to go through the math of how the governor's budget plan works, and you can pay for it, and his tax cuts, i think he'll be hard-pressed to say that well i'll get back to you, i don't have time. i think the debate's going to be interesting and they're going to have to back up their statements.
i think they'll be held to account for more than they've been held to account for as far as the facts and the details in this hour debate, hour and a half debate. >> it will certainly be fascinating. for now, thank you very much. >> thank you, piers. here to break down all the debate strategy in tonight's battleground america, two "new york times" columnists on opposite sides. charles blow and ross dalfell. thank you both. i see you're already snarling across the newsroom. >> we're great friends. >> i don't want to hear that. >> he's my favorite conservative. >> no time for friends. let me start with you, ross. romney's got it all to play for, good and bad, depending on who you talk to. this is make or break time in a good or bad way. chris christie believes and i will quote here, i've seen mitt romney do this before. he's going to come in, he's going to lay out his vision for america, contrast his view with the president's record and it's going to be the president's views for the future. this whole race is going to be turned upside down come thursday morning. boom. job done. >> that's why people love chris christie. because he tells something at
least vaguely approaching the truth which is that whether or not romney actually succeeds in pulling something like that off, that's close to what he needs right now. if you listen to what paul ryan says in public and interviews and what romney surrogates say, they'll downplay expectations and say obama's a great orator and so on but if you talk to romney people in private, and they have been quoted in background pieces in the last few days, they'll say look, we're losing, this is a good chance to change the dynamic so he needs to step up. >> charles blow, how does he step up? because there is this conundrum. he's not very likeable to the electorate from all the polls, even today, obama is way ahead on likability. he doesn't have that ready reagan kind of charm. but he's got to exude some of that, i think, at the same time he's got to beat up barack obama verbally so that everyone goes away thinking romney won. how does he do both? >> well, i don't know how he does both. i don't believe he's capable of doing both. i do think you're right to put it in two parts which is one, he
has to dig himself out of the hole that he has put himself in. with the gaffes and the kind of robotic nature and all that. the second thing he has to do is to stand next to a sitting president of the united states and say i am an attractive alternative to this. what you have to look at this is like this is the last round of interviews. we already know what the resumes say. we know what your plans are. the people who are interested in going through the details of those to the extent that romney has actually provided details, which is not enough of them i think for most people, but to the extent that you have been willing to provide what you have provided, we know what that is. now we have to look at these two people and say which of these two men do i want to work with for the next four years, and romney has to be able to have a presence on that stage that says i am an attractive alternative to barack obama. everything that romney has done in the last month has basically said that i am not suited to that role. >> ross, he's not suited to that role, apparently. >> well, you know, the last month hasn't been a very good one for the governor. here i'm going to sound a bit
like an obama surrogate, though, and say that i actually think that romney did a very impressive job most of the time in the republican primary debates and obviously there were so many of them that he ended up having his share of gaffes but he used them pretty effectively to dispatch rick perry, dispatch newt gingrich, who everybody was talking about as the great debater and so on. so i actually think romney has a good chance of sort of getting over the sort of is he presidential hump. i agree with charles, though, he has to get a bit further and deliver a little more on substance than he did during the republican convention. and the republican convention was all about mitt romney, you know, likeable human being. i think talking about likability now sort of misses the point. for romney, it's all about saying obama has failed, here's some substance i can offer as an alternative, you don't necessarily have to love me to want to put me in charge of a country that's frankly in a bit of a mess still. >> the strange thing about mitt romney, i have interviewed him three times now and he is quite likeable when you meet him privately.
there's definitely two sides. i was struck by what one of his sons told me at the convention, when i interviewed all the boys. he said he has struggled to get out of ceo mode in public. for so long he ran a business, a company, and when you do that, there isn't much room for laughter and being a nice guy. it's all about the numbers and being very businesslike. >> in that famous 47% comment, in addition to recycling a pretty dumb conservative talking point, it was sort of a ceo mentality, right? it was like we've divided the electorate up and there's this chunk we can't get and there's this chunk in the middle we can, and so on. that's just not how effective political leaders talk. it's been reflected in the beating he's taken. >> charles blow is desperate to get in here. beautifully, we have to go to a break. hold your horses, charles. >> i will do that. >> we will saddle up again in a couple of minutes. you've been busy for a dead man. after you jumped ship in bangkok, i thought i'd lost you.
>> i don't know about that. who's going to put the most points on the board. >> you are! >> no, no, governor romney's a good debater. i'm just okay. >> president obama talking about zingers and trying to manage expectations for the debate. charles and ross are back to talk about whether that's a good strategy. i have a poll here about who's likely to win the debate and very clearly, people think that obama will, 55% to 31%. yet, i would say that the favorite really ought to be mitt romney, purely because he spent most of the year debating against very good debaters like newt gingrich and rick santorum and others. they were very capable opponents on a debate stage. barack obama hasn't done this for four years. so i would think the advantage would definitely be with the apparent underdog, a, because people don't think he's going to win and i think he may well win that first debate and secondly, because he's the more experienced debater. >> well, i think i would caution you a little bit. i think the president, when he has given kind of press interviews, that is a form of being pressed on things so maybe you're not debating another opponent one-on-one, but you are going through the process of answering questions and tough questions and people are not letting you squirm out of things. i think you do have to pull that down a little bit. i do believe that mitt romney has not demonstrated that he's agile. he's not kind of light on his feet. so the idea that if you had a tough spot in a debate, whether the moderator pushed or obama pushed and could romney not talking from zingers that he's rehearsed, not talking from talking points, be agile enough to say i can answer these questions because these are my
convictions. i think you do have to pull that down a little bit. i do believe that mitt romney has not demonstrated that he's agile. he's not kind of light on his feet. so the idea that if you had a tough spot in a debate, whether the moderator pushed or obama pushed and could romney not talking from zingers that he's rehearsed, not talking from talking points, be agile enough to say i can answer these questions because these are my convictions. i think romney's biggest problem is a lack of conviction. he kind of operates and looks as if he's wearing someone else's skin and he's talking using someone else's beliefs. >> ross, what do you make of
that? i think barack obama definitely the last time he did this four years ago, he showed flashes of a temper. which if i was in the romney camp, i would be just keep goading him. i'm sure that's what they are trying to calm down in the obama camp, don't lose your temper. romney is pretty cool. i watched him under fire in the republican nominee debates. he was a pretty cool customer. obama can get rattled. >> he had a couple bad moments. the famous however many thousands of dollars bet it was with rick perry. that was not mitt romney at his best. overall, the thing about president obama is that his skill is in oratory. he's great at sort of exhorting crowds and inspiring people who already agree with him but throughout his presidency and this has been true in interviews, true in press conferences, true in his speeches, he's struggled with the art of persuasion, the art that bill clinton obviously mastered so well. so there, i think there is a weakness for him in the debate, that he has a sort of, he can stumble too, not in the same way that romney can, but he can sort of get tangled up in his slightly professorial style and lose the plot, if you will.
>> important as this may be to the romney fortunes, it's a day we discover the romney campaign is planning to unleash, this is their leaking, robust spending in the final five weeks of the campaign. quotes from a republican source, we will spend as much in paid advertising, direct mail and field operations in the next five weeks as we have spent since becoming the presumptive nominee. this is from a mail by spencer zwick, the campaign's national finance chairman and mason fink, the national finance director for the campaign. quotes from a republican source, we will spend as much in paid advertising, direct mail and field operations in the next five weeks as we have spent since becoming the presumptive nominee. this is from a mail by spencer zwick, the campaign's national finance chairman and mason fink, the national finance director for the campaign. they will be chucking the financial commercial advertising kitchen sink at the president, and the president's not ahead in the polls, really. most of them, he's just ahead or they're pretty level. >> but you're looking at the national polls. that's now how we elect presidents in the united states. we elect them by an electoral college.
you have to look swing state by swing state. this election will be fought in a handful of states. that number of states where things are actually still competitive keeps shrinking. so if they're going to be kind of targeting advertising, they're probably going to be targeting a very small number of states and a shrinking number of states. you have to, you know, we'll have looked back on this after the election day and see whether or not that was good strategy. i personally believe that the obama strategy was probably the better one, which is to spend the money up front, kind of outline who the image of mitt romney as you want it to be, also using a lot of what mitt romney has done and has said himself to make that case and once that starts to harden, it's really hard to undo that. and what also is working against mitt romney is that now you have early voting starting in a lot of these crucial states. you can't undo a vote that's already cast. >> let's just talk very quickly, zingers. mitt romney arrived in denver today, he will speak at a rally tonight there.
he will be planning zingers because everybody knows whatever they say, you get a couple good zingers in, that's the sound bite for the next four or five days until the next one of these debates, isn't it. what would you be zinging president obama? >> i think this is a terrible strategy, actually, for the romney campaign. i think if you look -- if you look at the two periods recently when presidential debates shifted the polls, it was kerry in '04, he gained three or four points on bush after those debates and it was bush against gore in 2000 who gained points mostly because gore was unlikable. in neither case was there a sort of there you go again type zinger and frankly, the idea of mitt romney, mr. phony, delivering some kind of canned zinger, that's exactly the wrong strategy and i suspect this is just misdirection by the romney campaign. >> i love that ross just called mitt romney mr. phony. i'm done. thank you, ross. >> he just zinged you. very interesting. i will leave you to squabble over the "new york times" newsroom floor.
thank you very much indeed. tomorrow night, i sit down with arnold schwarzenegger. you watched the "60 minutes" interview but are left with unanswered questions. so was i so i asked them. arnold schwarzenegger tells all. a pretty moving interview. coming up, a woman who says there are misconceptions about mormons. i will talk to one of the most famous mormons in the world, marie osmond.
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marie osmond is part of one of the most famous mormon families in america after the romney family, of course. what would it mean to her to see a mormon in the white house? she joins me now. it's a great question. here's "time" magazine. >> i have not seen that. >> the mormon identity. i know you don't get political about either party, but it's fascinating to me that finally, mitt romney's talking about being a mormon without any kind of discomfort or feeling like he's been ashamed of it because for a long time he wouldn't talk about it. he wouldn't come on my show and talk about it. yet, what he has done, i think plays well for him. i think it's a very commendable part of his life. what do you feel as a famous mormon? >> which part?
>> what do you feel about the fact the next president may be a mormon? >> you know what i think? first of all, just because i'm a mormon, i don't know what every mormon thinks. that's like saying every lutheran knows what every lutheran thinks and every jewish person. i don't think that he started out really making that a big issue. i think that the media has done that. but you know what, i look at like kennedy, i mean, remember when kennedy was looking to be president, it was like he's a catholic. >> yeah. i remember. >> do we want a catholic in the white house. i believe we need to look at this as what our country was founded upon which is freedom and separation of church and state. i think there's a lot of strange things said about, you know, our faith. mormon is a nickname. we're the church of jesus christ of latter day saints. we believe in the bible. we're christian. i believe in jesus christ, things like that. >> is it being demonized a bit? >> i think so.
absolutely. i don't think i'm too strange. >> no. you're pretty normal. donny tells me you're strange. >> donny is strange. no, i just -- i think that -- i don't play politics. i don't do that. i think there's too many celebrities out there claiming what they believe and i think it's our job really to get people out to study the issues and to know what they believe and what they want to vote for. >> but do you feel excited about the possibility of a mormon president? forget for a moment whether he's a republican or democrat. >> i don't care what they believe. i don't vote any one party. i vote for the person. i think you have to look at -- this is what i vote for. i'm in new york city and i look at the statue of liberty and it says all of you, you know, who are here to breathe freedom. that's what i love about our country. and i believe in our constitution and i believe in people that want to keep what our forefathers so brilliantly
put together. people came from all over the world to this country for what? freedom. nothing should take that away. that's why, you know, what he believes and i mean, look at president obama. i don't think people have gone into what he believes as much as they've gone into what mitt romney believes. does that mean i'm telling you what i'm going to vote for? no, i'm not telling you what i vote for. but i do believe, i believe in the freedom of our country and our great constitution. i believe in anybody who will uphold that constitution. >> how important has your faith been to you personally over the years? >> i am who i am because of what i believe. you know, i guess it's peculiar because back in 1800 whatever when it says don't drink and smoke and do all those things, we know those things aren't healthy for you anyway so big deal. but you know, i believe i'm not a mormon because my parents were. i actually studied many religions. i love all religion. >> really. >> i do. i'm a voracious reader. i love people. i love to know what makes them tick and why they love what they
love. >> to those who don't know anything about mormonism or the mormon church, what are the biggest misconceptions? >> i guess i'm running for president now. >> you do look quite presidential. >> thank you. >> you look like gina davis in "commander in chief." >> i think we need a woman in there. >> i agree. maybe it should be you. you and donny could do it together. >> oh, please, not him. >> are there misconceptions about the mormon church that annoy you? >> of course there are. there's misconceptions about every religion, don't you think? i've grown up with that. but no, it's like do we believe in the bible. absolutely we believe in the bible. the bible is our first -- the book of mormon is a second witness only that jesus is the christ. it's a second record that documents that he was the son of god. that's what we believe. i'm not telling people what to believe. that's what i believe. who cares, you know, if i'm -- i think you should be a good
person, that you should be honest and have integrity and those are the things that i believe that religion should -- but to mix all that into what i do as an entertainer and the people that i talk to, i've never done that. i've never desired to do that. i am who i am. >> last time i interviewed you, you just got married again to your ex-husband. >> yes, i did. >> an unusual state of affairs. >> are you going to ask the question you always ask? >> which one? >> the one about being in love? >> how many times have you been properly in love. in your case twice with the same guy, right? >> once. with the same guy. >> how's it going? >> it's properly in love. that's the important question. >> you probably are the most properly in love person i know because only someone in that condition would remarry the same guy. >> he is the greatest thing in my life. >> better second time around? >> better. >> you worked each other out? >> yeah. i think you let certain things go that you think were so important and aren't. you get to a place where you're each other's best friends. >> i want to talk to you about your new job. you are going to be basically doing a talk show. should i be getting nervous? >> yes. you're going to be on it. >> really?
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donny and marie. two games that go hand in hand. they have been voted best of las vegas so what could possibly separate them? well, marie osmond has broken free from the shackles of her brother to talk about her life, her loves and any other intrusive stuff i can get out of her in the next ten minutes. here's my number one question for you. >> what's different about us? he's male, i'm female although he is a little female sometimes. >> i agree with you. it's actually a more direct question. why donny and marie? did you not try to get it marie and donny? >> well, he is older. >> you're the sister. >> it's okay to let him have top billing, because i get the last word.
>> what is it like working with your brother on and off for so long? >> well, that's the thing is we really didn't work together for like 28 years. and then we decided to get back together in vegas for a very short run, and it was kind of fun because people wanted us to stay and here we are, 2012, into the world, what the heck. so we just feel extremely blessed. we're very different. he has his things that he likes to do, i'm venturing off on my own. we all have our passions. but it is -- we're going to england for the first time. we're going over to the o de 2. >> you'll be huge there. >> we did a little show there, an evening with, and i guess it caused -- i don't go over there that often. i made a promise until my children were old enough that i wouldn't leave them for more than a week. they're old enough now. >> you're going to be doing a talk show. >> started today. >> jumping into my seat here. >> well, hey.
come to my show. i'll talk to you. >> just because you have basically done how many thousands of shows have you done yourself over the years as a guest? >> we were laughing right before the show. i sat with merv griffin and dinah shore and i mean, many, many countries, five decades of sitting in this chair, and i don't know, maybe it's because i've sat in this chair for so many years, i think i kind of know how they feel, how to help them say what they need to say, what's really important, why they're in this chair, and what has to, you know, sustain them over the years and it's really fun. it's been interesting so far, because we've taped a couple shows, that people are disclosing things to me that we have never talked about this before, and maybe they just know that i'm -- i guess i'm nice, but they're talking about eating disorders they grew up with and how it defined who they are now and growing up in a family of hoarders and how that influenced them, and changed their life path.
and people are fascinating, aren't they? >> i think you have an endless curiosity to do this. >> you do. you have to like people. >> let's take a look at your show. we have a clip for you. exciting clip. >> look at this beautiful house you bought. oh, isn't this lovely. >> hallmark bought it for me. >> they did? >> yeah. >> oh, is there anything you want to tell me? >> she's so lovely. you know, i twittered and facebooked and everything and said who would be your number one guest for my show. they said betty white. >> she came on my show. she was fantastic. >> i did a show with her years ago where she played my mother, and she's just, she's lovely. i adore her. i grew up working with the best in the business, piers. >> do you think the great secret of show business in the end is longevity? >> either that or you die young. i think i've gone beyond that. >> no, you haven't, marie. >> you hang around long enough, they feel sorry for you. i may disappear before that. johnny carson did a good job of disappearing.
>> women are watching this going look at how good marie osmond looks. >> you're so nice, thank you. >> it can't be this nutrition stuff. >> nutrasystem works. it does. >> do you have to go to the gym every day? what do you do? >> i do a television show in l.a., then i fly to vegas and do the show there at night, then i get back on a plane and fly to l.a. for the show in the day. the show's very energetic. i don't work out. my life is a workout. but i believe in choosing healthy choices and i think you learn there's a lot of knowledge out there of what you can do, but to me, and maybe my show is more seeking for the wisdom because to me, wisdom is the proper application of knowledge and how to motivate yourself to be the best you can be for yourself. >> i want to mention the children's miracle network is celebrating its 30th anniversary. the donny and marie show is going strong in vegas and your talk show, "marie" is at noon on hallmark.
i want to understand this. a confidence amongst the americans that you're going to win the ryder cup. as a european, do you fancy a bet? >> yes, i'll make a bet with you on the ryder cup. >> president bill clinton and he had the wrong side of our bet on the ryder cup which cost him a pricely $100 to a charity of my choice. i of course never had any doubt who would win and it's all because of a team including three men joining me now exclusively. ian poulter, justin rose and graham. first of all, gentlemen, congratulations. you look a little the worse for wear if you don't mind me saying. >> which one? >> that was a collective you. all of you. do i take it the party was long and glorious? >> it was a great party. i think the earliest any of us got to bed was probably 3:30ish, i would think. it was a good night. >> the water's by our side here.
a little dehydration at the minute. >> we're seeing some alarming pictures of some of you dancing. i would stick to the golf if i were you. let me talk to you individually about various parts of this because it was one of the greatest comebacks i have ever seen in any sport in my lifetime. for you, let's start with you, ian, because we're fellow arsenal fans. you obviously take priority here. you had this amazing moment in the dressing room with all the team and the spanish captain obviously paid this extraordinary tribute to the other great spaniard who sadly died. what was it about that meeting, that speech, which seemed to have turned the fortunes round the next day? >> well, it was a tough couple of days. friday, we was played off the park. the guys, the americans just held more parts, there was more passion on the golf course from
them than what we had, and we couldn't get any momentum. and you know, really going into saturday, we felt like we needed to take something out of it and we didn't get anything out of the morning session at all. we was beaten again early and that was hard to take. butafternoon session is really where the whole flow of the feeling of that team changed. the two points late in the afternoon on saturday, we were 10-4 down at one point. going into those last couple games, and we needed to try to turn them around. we took a lot out of turning those games around. turning them into a victory. 10-4 to 10-6 felt like a massive boost. saturday night in the team room was an enormous change. i've never seen anything like it. >> the shadow sort of hung over the whole event. and quite rightly. he was one of the great players in history. that was his great spanish friend.
what did jose marie owe zabl say to you guys. there's different reports about how emotional it got. he must have said something that really got you going? >> how say was an amazing captain all week. we had the silhouette of seve on our golf box, we wore the silhouette on our left sleeve of our golf shirts. we really felt like jose's emotion and passion really came through, and we really just wanted to win it for him and for the memory of our teammate. >> i host an american show for an american audience, but every time they were shouting the american fans in the hole. i was willing you to get your ball in the hole. and for theirs to miss it, were you feeling the same way? >> i think collectively as a team, we were playing in silence on the golf course. the u.s. team had great support. and it was a really sort of fieryfeisty atmosphere for us to play in.
you get sports fans coming to watch golf and sports fans that behave a certain way. obviously, our goal was just to try to hush the crowd. and i think for the american team, that silence could be deafening and i kept trying to use that phrase during the week. when the place went quiet, that must have been unnerving for them. >> to beat the americans in their own backyard at golf. in recent years, we've had a much better record. historically, this was almost unthinkable in the old days. how good a feeling is it? >> even seeing them now, it really was one of the most remarkable comebacks i can think in any kind of sport. it hasn't happened before. european ryder cup teams have never done it before. they've done it to us in '99 for the same four-point deficit, and
that hurt the european team badly. so we knew last night what it would mean if we could switch that round. but switch it round in their back garden as opposed to them doing it on their own home soil back in 1999. >> what was the major driving factor? the fact that you knew i had a $100 bet with president clinton? >> yeah, that was it. it was all about the $100 bet. >> i think it all came down to #gunagolfpower or something. >> that was a totally accurate hash tag. you're one of the great arsenal fans. thank you, gentlemen, for winning my $100 off president bill clinton. and thank you on behalf of all of europe. god knows we needed a bit of cheering up in europe this year. you guys did that, it was a stunning sporting achievement. congratulations. and i suggest you all now go to
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tonight's only in america, the ryder cup wasn't only just the greatest comeback in sporting history, a verdict so breathtakingly bad, we're talking dewey beats truman. now, after saturday's ryder cup action, we saw the americans take a pretty good lead. he wrote the following, for those who think the ryder cup is finished, think again. team europe can still win if the following things happen. keegan bradley is abducted, team usa captain davis love iii inserts cup spectators michael jordan, president george w. bush and the reverend jesse jackson into the lineup, or make lee westwood a u.s. citizen. so funny, because he wasn't playing well.
marty mcfly shows team europe captain how to go back in time, last friday morning will do. number five, team europe wins eight of the remaining 12 matches to retain the cup. team usa has a two-day lead that cup casts pray for. it's as difficult as trying to climb mount everest wearing flip-flops and cargo shorts. he still wasn't finished. if mrs. potter had had quinn uplets and they all played golf. he beat himself up, originally tipping europe. yes, i picked europe to win, i also picked samsung over apple, the wicked witch over dorothy and savannah state over florida. i miscalculated.